Speaking with Marc Maron on the latest episode of his WTF podcast, Lorde says, “People got so angry about me performing at the VMAs. I just danced, and I danced with full fucking joy. And some people were like, ‘We get it, and we love it,’ and some people were like, ‘This is offensive that I have to watch this.’
“And I’m like, ‘Oh, it’s because it’s so private seeing someone experience such joy.”
Speaking with Maron about his own “problem with joy”, Lorde says, “It’s sort of embarrassing to watch someone experience intense joy. Way more than pain. You’re like, ‘I’ll just leave you to do this.’
“And I think that’s why people find what I do quite disconcerting.”
In the end, she says that opening herself up to each and every joyful experience has changed things for the better.
“It’s really changed my life, opening up to being very unafraid of intense joy, publicly, and privately,” she says.
Watch Lorde’s somewhat controversial VMAs performance below, and listen to her full interview on WTF right here.
Lorde will bring her “full fucking joy” to Australia in November, for a series of headline shows around the country.